Let them get their faces punched in

What follows is even stupider than this
It would appear that the Rowdy One thinks that she could take on the boys and win- or at least, she could if they are her size:
UFC women’s bantamweight champion and all-around American badass Ronda Rousey said on ESPN’s Sportscenter Thursday that she believes she could beat “100 percent” of the UFC male fighters in her weight class. 
“UFC announcer Joe Rogan has stated that he thinks you might be able to beat 50 percent of UFC male bantamweight fighters,” Sportscenter anchor Matt Barrie said. “So now this debate has started. Ronda, what do you think of about Rogan’s comment?” 
"I never say that I'm incapable of beating anybody, because I don't believe in putting limits on myself," Rousey replied. "So I mean, I would have to say if you're just talking about what's in the realm of possibility of what's possible of who I could beat, well, I could beat 100 percent of them. But, um, you can't tell me that there's a zero percent chance that I can beat anyone on the planet, so I'm never gonna say that." 
Rousey was the star of the American sports scene last Saturday night when she beat Cat Zingano in just 14 seconds to retain her title, pushing her overall record to 11-0. Afterward, Rogan said he believed Rousey could beat half the men in her weight class. 
"There's a lot of guys her size she could beat," Rogan said on The Dan Lebatard Show. "I mean, a lot. If you took the roster of the UFC's bantamweights, 135 pounds, and you paired them up against Ronda Rousey, she might be able to beat 50 percent of them. That's not a joke."
I happen to have a lot of respect for Joe Rogan, and his opinion is one that I am willing to take seriously. The man has a black belt in tae kwon do- all right, admittedly, this isn't saying much- and a brown belt in Brazilian jiu jitsu. (That says a lot.) He has trained with the Gracie family. He has trained with some of the finest MMA fighters in the world. He knows of what he speaks.

Even then, I am thoroughly disinclined to take one Ronda Rousey particularly seriously when she claims that she could beat "100%" of the men in her weight class.

Every time I hear a female fighter mouthing off about how she can compete with men, regardless of weight class and size, I wonder what would happen if Western civilisation ever became depraved enough to take such nonsense seriously. And then I simply remember that I do, in fact, have some personal experience dealing with women in MMA-style sparring situations; I have not been impressed.

Ronda Rousey, and other women like her, are skilled fighters and capable women. For that, they deserve respect; they certainly have mine. But do not mistake respect for blind stupidity. The differential in strength between a man and a women of the same weight and height is not trivial.

The average man weighs roughly 34lbs more than the average woman, and has about 37.4lbs more lean muscle mass. The latter statistic is more important; lean muscle is what gives both men and women the strength to pick up and carry heavy things, and the ability to deliver severe beatings through the use of their fists and feet. Even when adjusted to equalise mass and height, a man and a woman of the same weight will still have vast disparities in strength.

Indeed, as Vox Day pointed out in his commentary on the same issue earlier today, Ronda Rousey's own mother has a rather more realistic perspective on whether the Rowdy One can take on and win male bantamweight fighters. As her mother says, no intelligent person can possibly consider a man and a woman both weighing 135lbs to be even remotely equal in terms of physical strength and speed.

Ronda Rousey isn't the first such woman to make silly claims about her ability to beat men her own size and weight, by the way. Carey sent me this link from the other day about a fighter named Alexa Grasso, who reckons she can take on men bigger than her, and win:
At a height of 5ft 5ins and weighing 115lb (8st 2lb), at first glance pretty Alexa Grasso doesn't look like she packs a punch. 
But the 21-year-old, who lives in Mexico, has proved she's a force to be reckoned with in the ring as she remains undefeated as a professional Mixed Martial Arts (MMA) fighter. 
The strawweight (her weight category) is said to have knockout power that few women possess as she has already achieved four knockout wins in her professional career - which only began in 2012. 
She first decided to make a living as a fighter when she attended an event with her uncle, who is now her coach. 
Alexa says that seeing women like herself in the ring made her realise that you don't have to be super macho to be strong.
This, by the way, is what Ms. Grasso looks like:

Alexa Grasso is an undefeated female fighter and has been in the ring since 2012 


Watch the footage of her sparring, and you'll realise that this young lady is certainly not weak. However, bear in mind that she is only 5'5 and weighs less than 125lbs.

Now compare her size and weight and strength to the same attributes possessed by potential male adversaries. Her male opponents will be larger. They will be vastly stronger. They will be faster. And they will be able to hit much harder.

Add to this the fact that women are far more prone to injury under hard physical stress than men are, and you have the perfect recipe for a massacre if a woman ever gets into the Octagon with a man of similar size. She's not going to end up proving anything other than how much of a beating she can take before she throws in the towel.

But maybe, just maybe, that's exactly what needs to happen.

As horrible as this would be, maybe we really do need to see a woman like Ronda Rousey take on someone like T. J. Dillashaw in the octagon, for five full five-minute rounds, until one of them submits or is knocked out. Maybe we really do need to see a woman broken and humiliated in the ring before this nonsense finally gets laid to rest.

After all, there appears to be no end of white-knighting Gamma males riding in to big up women who make exorbitant claims about being able to take on much bigger opponents. And they appear to do so despite there being considerable evidence from sparring footage that even the strongest and fittest women would be utterly outclassed, outmatched, and out-punched by their male counterparts.

Consider, for instance, what happened when Ronda Rousey engaged in some light sparring with Gegard Mousasi. Now, Mousasi is part of the UFC's middleweight division, so he weighs in at roughly 185lbs at fighting strength, which gives him at least 50lbs over Ms. Rousey. He is also significantly taller than she is.

The results are... well, about what you'd expect, really:



The fact is that Mousasi could have picked up Ms. Rousey and broken her in half over his knee without working up so much as a light sweat.

But of course most people would argue that it is deeply unfair to compare a woman against a man who outweighs her by roughly 30%. So what would happen if the women's bantamweight champion were put up against the men's bantamweight champion? In other words, what would happen if Ms. Rousey took on T. J. Dillashaw in a proper contest?

I have seen T. J. Dillashaw fight. Given what I've seen him do, my money would be on him, all the way:


The man's repertoire is phenomenal- he is a tremendous striker, has amazing footwork, and a solid ground game. Like most division champions, he is a true artist within the Octagon. I watched the fight between him and Soto at UFC 182 177 (my memory's going...); he spent months preparing to face Renan Barao, and when Barao was at the last minute unable to cut weight safely, he faced a completely unknown fighter with a totally different fighting style, and knocked him out in the fourth fifth round.

That is the kind of opponent that Ronda Rousey would face if ever the world were stupid and degenerate enough to take her claims seriously. Putting her in the Octagon with someone like Dillashaw would be an object, and extremely painful, demonstration of Curie-Hultgreen Syndrome.

The laws of honourable martial combat dictate respect for all opponents, regardless of size, gender, or skill level. No opponent should ever be treated lightly; all must be fought within the limits imposed by the requirements of honour; and all should be granted mercy wherever possible.

However, mercy does not mean going easy on someone. Mercy, in a combat situation, means dispatching him (or her) quickly and efficiently, so as to minimise the suffering and pain felt by the opponent. Mercy in war often meant a quick and painless death; in the Octagon, it "merely" means a swift knockout or a quick submission hold.

And maybe that is exactly what the Rowdy One needs in order for this insane nonsense to stop. Otherwise, we will continue to see calls for women to face men in the Octagon, made by women and Gamma-knights who truly should know better than to trot out such facile nonsense. And it will go on, and on, and on, until someone is stupid enough to let an unskilled woman into the ring against a skilled man, resulting in the woman getting hurt or even killed in the worst way possible.

At least in Ronda Rousey's case, she knows what she's getting herself into. Better to demonstrate such folly on one who has at least some idea of how hard she can get hit.

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  1. The problem is that there is no upside for a male fighter in such a challenge. Either he gets beaten or he wins but gets to endure "why did you hit a girl" criticism for the rest of his days.

    You mention a swift victory...in this case I don't think that's what's needed. A "lucky punch" or "lucky submission" wouldn't do. A drawn out pounding followed by an almost casual submission would drive the point home.

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    1. Correct on both counts, actually. No sane male fighter would really want to take on that kind of match, for precisely those reasons- at least, not yet. I'm just waiting for Ronda Rousey to shoot her mouth off to the point where she annoys one of the division champions and he takes up her challenge.

      I suspect that if such a match ever did come about, the man in question would be strongly inclined to end it quickly, hence my point about a merciful end. But, in order to drive the point home, the match would have to become a massacre, as you say. And there would be no honour in such a victory...

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  2. I have a friend who has watched Rousey fight. So has his daughter, who won the national championship in Tae Kwan Do. What he told me is that Rousey does what every good martial arts practitioner is trained to do. That is she uses the opponent's weight against them. This is essentially a form of defensive fighting that is every effective in this kind of competition. However, defensive fighting is often not sufficient in real street fighting. If Rousey tried this on the street against a determined male opponent, she would most certainly loose.

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    1. Correct. Defensive fighting is useful in competitive martial arts and Ms. Rousey knows how to do that very well- she even knows how to turn a carefully crafted defensive technique into a very effective offensive submission hold or advantage, as she showed in her fight against Alexis Davis a few months back.

      But against a larger, faster, and much stronger male opponent who isn't caught by surprise, it's not going to work very well. I've seen it likened to attempting to play catch with hot soup- it only ends quickly and stupidly.

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