Asians and Freedom

Normally, I delete anonymous comments out of hand. I do make exceptions once in a while- and let me reiterate, once more, that I do NOT want anonymous commentary on this blog. If you have something to say, do so under a name to which I can respond. I don't care what you call yourself, but it is simple courtesy to address a man by name. If you wish to discuss or debate something with me, you are most assuredly welcome to do so- but do so under a name.

Nevertheless, an anonymous comment to my post, "Revolution Calling", sparked my interest. It's worth quoting this at length:
Whites and Asians have the most to lose in this fight, on opposite sides of the world, we have both built highly technological civilizations that have been the standards for bravery,honor,and humanity. What should we do,considering you correctly state it is not a matter of if,but whenwe see all our painstaking work,that we purchased with so many lives and so much human suffering,undone?

It is my contention that Whites and Asians in this country should unite,culturally and genetically. We have much to offer one another in both areas, and I believe we should invite the Native American population of our country to join us, as they have the most to gain by enjoying a higher public profile than previously afforded them. Together,we could take and hold a large portion of this country in the ensuing chaos,after that, administration of our state would be a breeze. Whites,reds,and yellows are far more skilled in effective warfare than blacks and browns,and more principled and intelligent in governing the spoils of war.

We need to watch each other's backs,because we all know that they aren't just after whitey. Asian storeowners seem to get the crappy end of the stick every time these riots happen. They acquit themselves admirably with rifles,shotguns, and pistols-I've seen the security tapes, but they do go through an ordeal first.

Now,these are touchy issues and I fully acknowledge that I may sound like a crackpot or an asshole to some people,but we may soon be coming to a bridge in need of burning and we can't afford to put off the discussion until we get there,because I believe as you do, that it is imminent. 

Bottom line: In order to salvage the noblest aspects of humanity, representatives of the cultures these ideas come from will probably need to work together for the common good of humanity. If we survive, civilization survives.
It's an intriguing proposition. But I can tell you that it won't work.

Asians are not naturally a freedom-loving bunch. In Asia we still regard government as the natural ally of the people, not our greatest and most terrible enemy. We regard government service as inherently honourable and good- working for the Indian civil service or military was once considered a great honour and privilege, and China has a culture stretching back nearly 2,000 years of sending its best and brightest to work for the government. Asians have an inherent distrust of disorder, and are naturally inclined to view government power as the antidote to chaos.

Asians who come to America seem to turn overwhelmingly liberal. I'm really not entirely sure why, because many Asians who come here make their way up the ladders of society through the very things that libertarians like me celebrate- hard work, sacrifice, saving, and gritty independence. Yet Asians who live and work here go Democrat in astonishing numbers.

I've seen this with my own family. My uncle came here as a student, stayed, and built his own business ventures, becoming very wealthy in the process. He owns Lord only knows how many properties, runs his own chemicals and magnet businesses, and has brought many of his own family and relatives over from his native country to this one to work for and with him. And he's a dyed-in-the-wool Democrat. I marvel at his capacity for self-delusion at times; he honestly seems to believe that idiots like Barack Obama and lunatics like Nancy Pelosi have the answers to the troubles afflicting this country. He speaks often and with great admiration of China and the massive infrastructure boondoggles that they are building over there. His entire family, from my aunt to their children to virtually every last one of their friends, are bleeding-heart liberals. It is partly because I simply cannot stomach their politics that I tend to stay far away from them- there isn't even any point trying to debate with them, that's how far gone they are.

Counting on Asians to come together with whites to re-build this country is a fool's dream. It will never happen. Whites in this country are wracked with guilt over the sins of their fathers, both real and (in large part) imagined. The SWPL types who inhabit the Northeast are not going to be the source of a new and prosperous free-market economy in the American heartland. Nor are Asians, who will almost surely be among the first victims when everything goes pear-shaped but who will also almost surely do the least to defend themselves.


  1. I have also noticed that many Asian immigrants, including successful entrepreneurs, seem to favor the democrats and all of their policies. This is bit of a mystery to me. I understand why they don't like the GOP. But one would think they would be mostly apolitical, being leery of both parties will expressing a certain libertarian sentiment on economic issues (if not social issues).

    My wife is Japanese. Yet, she very strongly identifies with free-market economic policies, while describing government simply as a form of monopoly with all of the problems attendant to it.

    Perhaps you can ask your father why he supports politicians (and political party) that espouses beliefs and actions that are diametrically opposite to his personal life experiences.

    His responses will be enlightening to me.

    1. My uncle, actually. My father is a bit of a liberal himself (then again, most people are liberals compared to me), but he's every bit as sceptical of government power as I am; he just thinks that government has certain social obligations to its people. I, however, believe that government has precisely one role: to uphold the natural rights of the people.

      I think it comes from the Asian sense of community, which is and has always been very strong. Asians have a sense of obligation to their communities- they know that when push comes to shove, the only people they can depend on are from their extended families. That leads them to adopt a very socialistic worldview, in which taking from some to give to others is acceptable as long as it promotes social harmony. Of course, the problem is that it does nothing of the sort- eventually it leads to precisely the kind of social disintegration that Asians fear.

    2. That's interesting and certainly plausible. I have another possible explanation I would like to run by you.

      The GOP often talks about restoring "conservative" values and talks a lot about "tradition". The problem with this is that the history of our country includes considerable racism towards non-whites. The racism in the Western states towards East Asian people through out the 1800's and early 1900's, up to the end of WW2, was just as bad as the Jim Crow period in the South was towards blacks. Unfortunately, we have a very sordid history of mal-treatment towards non-white people.

      Is it possible that many Asian immigrants view talk of American "tradition" through the prism of past racist injustices towards non-whites? And are, therefor, turned off by such talk and the party, GOP, that espouses it? It is certainly understandable if this is the case.

      You might want to ask your father and uncle about this.

    3. It's an interesting idea. I'd say it applies to older Asians, but not to the current generation of Asian-American youth. While it is absolutely true that Asians who first came to this country during the Gold Rush and subsequent years, things began to change after WWII. And after Vietnam, Asians were being fully integrated into American society. By now, most Asian-Americans have no real memory of those past difficulties.

      I'd say that Asians prefer paternal big government for two reasons, both related. The first, as discussed, is their very strong sense of community. The second is the type of government that this sort of respect for community breeds. Historically, Asian governments were always predicated on paternal government and collective rights; the Anglo-Saxon concept of individual rights and scepticism of power that manifested itself within the Magna Carta is genuinely weird to societies based on the teachings of filial piety popularised by Confucius. Asians have historically known and lived with far less constrained forms of government than their Western counterparts and, at least in my experience, tend to have few issues with governments that claim to be acting out of a sense of "fairness" or "responsibility".

      I remember having this argument with my parents a few years ago. My stance on government is that it exists purely to protect people from each other, and has no other place whatsoever in their lives. My parents, however, argue that protecting people also means taking care of their basic needs. The difference arises from a fundamental disagreement over the meaning of the term, "security". Libertarians like me believe that this means that one's natural rights are upheld, and nothing else. Liberals, and most Asian Americans fall into this category, believe that it has to do with physical needs and wants as well.


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